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authorJorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto <jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org>2011-06-09 11:54:22 +0000
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+Council 2011/06/08 meeting summary
+==================================
+
+
+Agenda
+------
+
+ * roll call
+
+ * ChangeLog policy
+ * GLEP48 review
+ * Removal of support for old-style virtuals (ulm)
+ * Review of the ending council term
+ * Council web app
+
+ * open bugs with council involvement
+ * open floor - listen to the community
+
+
+Meeting
+-------
+
+ * roll call
+
+ here:
+
+ Betelgeuse
+ bonsaikitten
+ chainsaw
+ jmbsvicetto
+ scarabeus
+ wired
+
+ missing:
+
+ ferringb
+
+
+ * items for discussion / vote
+
+ * ChangeLog policy
+
+ The policy approved by the council in the last meeting gave rise to some incidents and sparked much
+ debate. In the fallout Fabian made a request[1] for the council to discuss the ChangeLog generation.
+ Jorge suggested the council should divide this topic in 2 issues: the result of the policy approval
+ and the request to review the policy.
+ Jorge made a point of thanking both the QA lead and deputy lead for addressing the ChangeLog policy
+ and enforcing it inside QA, as well as thank DevRel (which Jorge and Petteri are part of) for their
+ resolution of the bug. Tony argued that the ChangeLog policy is working as intended. Petteri argued
+ that the policy is strict but that it does show how the problematic people react to policies in
+ general.
+ After some discussion regarding the "strictness" of the policy and whether to accept the request to
+ review the policy, the council decided to not review the policy with 5 no votes and 1 abstention.
+ The council issued a clarification note about the policy stating that as one removes the ChangeLog
+ while dropping a package from the tree, there is no need to update it while commiting a package
+ removal.
+ The discussion then turned to the point about automatic generation of the ChangeLog. The following
+ debate mentioned having repoman -m call echangelog, having the ChangeLog files generated server
+ side and completing the move to the git tree.
+ A vote was called stating that the decision of the council about automated changelog messages is
+ that repoman be updated to add the commit message to changelog, until such time as changelogs can
+ be created server side. The council also urges individual developers to join the effort to move
+ the tree to git. The vote was carried with 5 yes votes and 1 abstention. 2 council members each
+ approved one part and abstained on the other.
+ Tony made a point of recalling that this decision does in no way affect the decision not to update
+ the changelog policy, so developers are still required to update changelogs for every commit.
+ Tomas[2] and Alex[3] provided some commit wrappers to call echangelog.
+
+ [1] - http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_2ff02d6910d797045af3659fb21c712f.xml
+ [2] - http://dpaste.com/552036/
+ [3] - http://paste.pocoo.org/show/403011/
+
+
+ * GLEP48 review
+
+ Jorge submitted a proposal to the ml to update GLEP48[4].
+ After some initial debate over the power granted to the QA team, the timeline in case
+ of an escalation to DevRel, the relation with DevRel and whether QA should only enforce
+ policies or also take part in creating policies, after the request by Patrick, Jorge
+ suggested pushing this back to the mls.
+ Petteri then asked the council to at least vote to commit the non suspension related
+ parts of the proposal. The diff[5] was approved with 6 yes votes.
+ Alec during this discussion presented some thoughts about the QA team[6].
+
+ [4] - http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/msg_ac161677a6e06a8647e16420eeae8d47.xml
+ [5] - http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/glep/glep-0048.txt?r1=1.3&r2=1.4
+ [6] - http://pastebin.com/C1jGF1DJ
+
+
+ * Removal of support for old-style virtuals (ulm)
+
+ Ulrich made a request to the council to remove the support for old-style virtuals[7].
+ Jorge asked if there could be any compatibility issue with old installations and Petteri
+ asked what would happen to the vdb for old packages. Ulrich replied there should be no
+ compatiblity issues as it should be comparable to a package removal. So if the PM can't
+ resolve the old-style virtual, the package depending on it would pull the new-style
+ virtual.
+ The proposal was approved with 6 yes votes.
+
+ [7] - http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/msg_7986aa2d9651c600f7302a8d84cc3721.xml
+
+
+ * Review of the ending council term
+
+ Several council members took this chance to look back at the ending term and to make their
+ evaluation of what was accomplished. Most agreed it was fun and that it was nice working
+ with the other elected members. The members also wished a good time for the next council.
+ There was some talk about the move to git, including that council wasn't able to get it done,
+ a mention about not having moved forward with the GLEP 39 reform and a listing of some ideas
+ for next council.
+
+
+ * Council web app
+
+ Joachim Bartosik, a GSoC student at Gentoo, who is working on a RoR app for council[8],
+ did a short demo for council members. The council was able to see the current state of
+ the app and the state of the meeting bot.
+
+ [8] - http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/jbartosik/19001
+
+
+
+ * open bugs with council involvement
+
+ The only bugs mentioned during the meeting were:
+
+ bug 237381 - "Document appeals process"
+ Jorge said he failed to present a proposal for this bug.
+
+ bug 341959
+ Alex said he still needs to fix this bug and that he will do that soon.
+
+ bug 362803
+ Jorge commited the update approved in the council meeting to the text version
+ of the GLEP before the meeting ended. He promised to work in the html version
+ later in the day.
+
+
+ * Open floor - listen to the community
+
+ No issue was brought forward to the council.