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author | Andreas K. Huettel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> | 2017-04-29 01:02:35 +0200 |
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committer | Andreas K. Hüttel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> | 2017-04-29 18:00:37 +0200 |
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Improve 14/8/2008
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diff --git a/decisions/decisions.but b/decisions/decisions.but index 4affa83..17d718b 100644 --- a/decisions/decisions.but +++ b/decisions/decisions.but @@ -38,8 +38,12 @@ EAPI-1 tracker [Future EAPI] have econf run ./configure with --disable-dependency-tracking 21310 a standard way to install includes (doinclude/doheader) +222721 +/bin/sh is removed when re-emerging bash even if mtime changed 229521 [Future EAPI] Add support for multi slot dependencies +232990 +2.2_rc2 --jobs breaks PMS's invariants 234705 Document of being an active developer 234706 diff --git a/decisions/decisions.bux b/decisions/decisions.bux index 4a79573..edaf889 100644 --- a/decisions/decisions.bux +++ b/decisions/decisions.bux @@ -24,6 +24,10 @@ PMS;PMS!version components EAPI!1 211529 --disable-dependency-tracking;src_configure;econf +222721 +package!app-shells/bash;package!sys-apps/portage;PMS;/bin/sh +232990 +package!sys-apps/portage;PMS;metadata invariance 234705 developer certificate 234706 diff --git a/decisions/decisions.ded b/decisions/decisions.ded index 6601104..ae53e43 100644 --- a/decisions/decisions.ded +++ b/decisions/decisions.ded @@ -109,9 +109,15 @@ Wulf Krueger ramereth Lance Albertson +rane +Łukasz Damentko + rich0 Richard Freeman +ricmm +Ricardo Mendoza + robbat2 Robin H. Johnson @@ -148,3 +154,9 @@ Peter Weller wolf31o2 Chris Gianelloni +yngwin +Ben de Groot +https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Yngwin +zmedico +Zac Medico +https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Zmedico diff --git a/decisions/decisions.kilepr b/decisions/decisions.kilepr index 5535a0c..afcb398 100644 --- a/decisions/decisions.kilepr +++ b/decisions/decisions.kilepr @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ img_extIsRegExp=false img_extensions=.eps .jpg .jpeg .png .pdf .ps .fig .gif kileprversion=2 kileversion=2.1.3 -lastDocument=summary-20080724.tex +lastDocument=decisions.bux masterDocument= name=Gentoo Council Decicisions Index pkg_extIsRegExp=false @@ -1183,20 +1183,20 @@ order=-1 [item:decisions.bux] archive=true -column=29 +column=48 encoding=UTF-8 highlight=None -line=5 +line=29 mode= open=true order=1 [item:decisions.ded] archive=true -column=11 +column=0 encoding=UTF-8 highlight=None -line=7 +line=162 mode= open=true order=2 @@ -1608,7 +1608,7 @@ encoding=UTF-8 highlight=LaTeX line=35 mode=LaTeX -open=true +open=false order=5 [item:summary-20080814.tex] @@ -1616,10 +1616,10 @@ archive=true column=0 encoding=UTF-8 highlight=LaTeX -line=0 +line=113 mode=LaTeX -open=false -order=-1 +open=true +order=5 [item:summary-20080828.tex] archive=true @@ -2832,16 +2832,16 @@ open=false order=-1 [view-settings,view=0,item:decisions.bux] -CursorColumn=29 -CursorLine=5 +CursorColumn=48 +CursorLine=29 JumpList= -ViMarks=.,5,28,[,4,0,],5,28 +ViMarks=.,29,47,[,28,0,],29,47 [view-settings,view=0,item:decisions.ded] -CursorColumn=11 -CursorLine=7 +CursorColumn=0 +CursorLine=162 JumpList= -ViMarks=.,7,10,[,7,5,],7,10 +ViMarks=.,161,41,[,158,0,],-1,-1 [view-settings,view=0,item:decisions.gld] CursorColumn=22 @@ -3091,9 +3091,9 @@ ViMarks=.,21,59,[,21,32,],21,59 [view-settings,view=0,item:summary-20080814.tex] CursorColumn=0 -CursorLine=0 +CursorLine=113 JumpList= -ViMarks= +ViMarks=.,106,17,[,106,5,],106,17 [view-settings,view=0,item:summary-20080828.tex] CursorColumn=0 diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mlf b/decisions/decisions.mlf index bf38353..aac6eef 100644 --- a/decisions/decisions.mlf +++ b/decisions/decisions.mlf @@ -70,6 +70,8 @@ Ben de Groot Ben de Groot 2ff02d6910d797045af3659fb21c712f:gentoo-dev Fabian Groffen +31d62c8526814c29a1d166a82ec889db:gentoo-dev +Ben de Groot 3675d8a397ee2b5b3088df42e3352b6f:gentoo-project Fabian Groffen 36e31e8ccd47b158d171dbc7661e324e:gentoo-dev @@ -214,6 +216,8 @@ Ulrich Mueller Tobias Scherbaum 96edbf4973be715c664768618e1c87ed:gentoo-dev Mike Frysinger +9b3f0e9ed1c97b033b563ea68b4d123e:gentoo-dev +Donnie Berkholz 9bc36a643a969e165c6f7cf228f2745c:gentoo-project Andreas K. Huettel 9db8a88aed9d35a4cf629228564bf127:gentoo-project @@ -264,10 +268,14 @@ b5b7aa83ddd64fdfa84284c1ceddcec6:gentoo-project Manuel Rüger b69cab4b36b6b3c6e68be82df09c2d36:gentoo-project Pacho Ramos +b6f6ca201c154cdc17f1d582497c9995:gentoo-dev +Donnie Berkholz b9460b9c8d578c3498c217c17b75afd4:gentoo-dev Ulrich Mueller ba125098c929ea31f34051dfb009d436:gentoo-council Donnie Berkholz +ba16c7cd079ca0edc5150c56b14e671b:gentoo-dev +Lukasz Damentko ba2cdfa0060c1a2b7583e19185564855:gentoo-dev Mike Frysinger bb3a3a0c1b0acb771a263294a67b722e:gentoo-dev diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mls b/decisions/decisions.mls index c52ee9e..bef9934 100644 --- a/decisions/decisions.mls +++ b/decisions/decisions.mls @@ -70,6 +70,8 @@ Re: [gentoo-project] Gentoo, GitHub, and the Social Contract Re: [gentoo-project] Council meeting 2015-03-10: call for agenda items 2ff02d6910d797045af3659fb21c712f:gentoo-dev [gentoo-dev] ChangeLog generation - pros and cons (council discussion request) +31d62c8526814c29a1d166a82ec889db:gentoo-dev +Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7 3675d8a397ee2b5b3088df42e3352b6f:gentoo-project [gentoo-project] Re: [gentoo-dev] ChangeLog generation - pros and cons (council discussion request) 36e31e8ccd47b158d171dbc7661e324e:gentoo-dev @@ -214,6 +216,8 @@ Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-12-13 [gentoo-council] Agenda for September 14th meeting 96edbf4973be715c664768618e1c87ed:gentoo-dev [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March +9b3f0e9ed1c97b033b563ea68b4d123e:gentoo-dev +[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7 9bc36a643a969e165c6f7cf228f2745c:gentoo-project Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-04-08 9db8a88aed9d35a4cf629228564bf127:gentoo-project @@ -264,10 +268,14 @@ b5b7aa83ddd64fdfa84284c1ceddcec6:gentoo-project Re: [gentoo-project] Call for Agenda Items -- Council Meeting 2015-10-11 b69cab4b36b6b3c6e68be82df09c2d36:gentoo-project Re: [gentoo-project] Call for agenda items - Council meeting 2014-08-12 +b6f6ca201c154cdc17f1d582497c9995:gentoo-dev +Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7 b9460b9c8d578c3498c217c17b75afd4:gentoo-dev [gentoo-dev] RFD: News item format 2.0 ba125098c929ea31f34051dfb009d436:gentoo-council [gentoo-council] CoC: informal enforcement +ba16c7cd079ca0edc5150c56b14e671b:gentoo-dev +Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for August 7 ba2cdfa0060c1a2b7583e19185564855:gentoo-dev [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for December bb3a3a0c1b0acb771a263294a67b722e:gentoo-dev diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mlt b/decisions/decisions.mlt index 37dcbf6..2d60f5d 100644 --- a/decisions/decisions.mlt +++ b/decisions/decisions.mlt @@ -70,6 +70,8 @@ Sun, 15 Feb 2015 02:57:53 Mon, 02 Mar 2015 06:36:01 2ff02d6910d797045af3659fb21c712f:gentoo-dev Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:12:05 +31d62c8526814c29a1d166a82ec889db:gentoo-dev +Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:45:49 3675d8a397ee2b5b3088df42e3352b6f:gentoo-project Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:17:05 36e31e8ccd47b158d171dbc7661e324e:gentoo-dev @@ -214,6 +216,8 @@ Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:16:50 Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:14:26 96edbf4973be715c664768618e1c87ed:gentoo-dev Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:31:20 +9b3f0e9ed1c97b033b563ea68b4d123e:gentoo-dev +Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:17:21 9bc36a643a969e165c6f7cf228f2745c:gentoo-project Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:35:37 9db8a88aed9d35a4cf629228564bf127:gentoo-project @@ -264,10 +268,14 @@ b5b7aa83ddd64fdfa84284c1ceddcec6:gentoo-project Wed, 30 Sep 2015 20:25:20 b69cab4b36b6b3c6e68be82df09c2d36:gentoo-project Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:06:28 +b6f6ca201c154cdc17f1d582497c9995:gentoo-dev +Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:01:27 b9460b9c8d578c3498c217c17b75afd4:gentoo-dev Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:13:51 ba125098c929ea31f34051dfb009d436:gentoo-council Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:13:41 +ba16c7cd079ca0edc5150c56b14e671b:gentoo-dev +Fri, 01 Aug 2008 10:48:23 ba2cdfa0060c1a2b7583e19185564855:gentoo-dev Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:48:04 bb3a3a0c1b0acb771a263294a67b722e:gentoo-dev diff --git a/decisions/summary-20080814.tex b/decisions/summary-20080814.tex index cd736f5..c63fbf7 100644 --- a/decisions/summary-20080814.tex +++ b/decisions/summary-20080814.tex @@ -1,6 +1,12 @@ \summary{2008}{8}{14} +Agenda call: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{9b3f0e9ed1c97b033b563ea68b4d123e} + +Agenda announcement: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{b6f6ca201c154cdc17f1d582497c9995} + + + \agendaitem{Unplanned topics} \index{council!meeting!default proxies} @@ -8,81 +14,65 @@ All the council members should nominate default proxies. \agendaitem{Reactions to dev banned from freenode} -\index{freenode} +\index{freenode!ban} -rane: -I'd like to ask Council to discuss possible reactions to our developer -being banned from Freenode without providing us with a reason. ... It -would be good if Council officially protested against that ban and -demanded a detailed explanation from Freenode staff. +Reference: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{ba16c7cd079ca0edc5150c56b14e671b} -\begin{verbatim} -20:14 < Halcy0n@> Do we have a history of how many times this has happened? - I believe another dev was klined after this was initially - brought up. -20:14 < musikc > ive spoken with the second dev actually -20:16 < musikc > the guy said he'd done what he was told to do and was still - waiting for some resolution -20:17 < musikc > i last spoke to him on the 10th -\end{verbatim} +\dev{rane}: ``I'd like to ask Council to discuss possible reactions to our +developer\footnote{According to the meeting log this was \dev{ricmm}.} being +banned from Freenode without providing us with a reason. [...] It would be good +if Council officially protested against that ban and demanded a detailed +explanation from Freenode staff.'' + +It seems this happened twice; a second developer was klined after the issue was +initially brought up. \dev{musikc} spoke to the second one; he said he'd done +what he was told to do and was still waiting for some resolution. Several +people volunteered to talk to the developer in question to find out more +details. According to freenode staff tomaw, the issue was already resolved on +the day he (tomaw) was made aware of it. \agendaitem{Moving meetings to a location we control} -\index{council!meeting!location} - -rane: -I want Council to consider moving their meetings somewhere where third -parties can't control who in Gentoo can attend and who can't. Like our -own small and created just for this purpose IRC server. - -\begin{verbatim} -20:26 < Cardoe > We already have a public ML where predominately a lot of - the discussion takes place. Is there really any actual - supression occurring because of our use of Freenode? -20:26 * jokey is still not in favour of running an irc network -20:27 < dberkholz@> Halcy0n: motivation is that when our devs get klined, it's - really hard for them to work with others on irc -20:28 < dberkholz@> antarus: as i was saying earlier, freenode is a tool for - us. if that tool is getting in our way, it needs to change -20:29 < Cardoe > dberkholz: the question is the tool getting in our way or - hindering us. Or will devising our own tool hinder us more.. -20:30 < Halcy0n@> Cardoe: I think us having to maintain it will be more of a - headache. -20:30 < Cardoe > Halcy0n: I'm in agreement with you on that. -20:30 <dertobi123@> dito -20:31 < jokey@> indeed, let's discuss this there -20:32 < Cardoe > We have other things to use manpower on, like developing a - distribution. -\end{verbatim} - -We currently have 2 freenode group contacts: fmccor and rane. +\index{council!meeting!location}\index{freenode} + +Reference: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{ba16c7cd079ca0edc5150c56b14e671b} + +\dev{rane}: ``I want Council to consider moving their meetings somewhere where +third parties can't control who in Gentoo can attend and who cannot. Like our +own small and created just for this purpose IRC server.'' + +We already have public mailing lists where a lot of the discussion takes place. +On one hand when freenode as a tool becomes impractical changes need to be +made. On the other hand there was conclusion that running an irc server would +be a serious headache and a waste of manpower. Thus no action was taken. + +We currently have 2 freenode group contacts: \dev{fmccor} and \dev{rane}. \agendaitem{Favor irc.gentoo.org alias in docs, etc} \index{irc.gentoo.org}\index{irc!channel!\#gentoo-java} -rane: -I want Council to consider creating and using irc.gentoo.org alias -instead of irc.freenode.net in our docs, news items and so on. The alias -would allow us to move out of the network more easily should we ever -decide to do so. +Reference: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{ba16c7cd079ca0edc5150c56b14e671b} + +\dev{rane}: ``I want Council to consider creating and using irc.gentoo.org +alias instead of irc.freenode.net in our docs, news items and so on. The alias +would allow us to move out of the network more easily should we ever decide to +do so.'' -spb brought up a good point to think about. -\begin{verbatim} -20:35 < spb > as people connect to irc.gentoo.org and assume that - generic-sounding channel names are all about gentoo -20:35 <Betelgeuse@> spb: And people connect to freenode and assume gentoo-java - is about generic Java -20:37 < jokey@> I'd say at least one user every 3-4 days over in #gentoo-php -20:37 <Betelgeuse@> jokey: Quite common on #gentoo-java too even with the - warnings all over the place. -\end{verbatim} +There was supprort for this idea. However, \dev{spb} brought up the point that +people connecting to irc.gentoo.org may assume that generic-sounding channel +names are all about gentoo. On the other hand it was argued that people +connecting to gentoo channels also ask generic questions as well. \agendaitem{Banning fired developers} -\index{enforced retirement}\index{irc!ban} +\index{enforced retirement}\index{irc!ban}\index{irc!autodevoice} +\index{project!devrel} + +Reference: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{31d62c8526814c29a1d166a82ec889db} + -yngwin: +\dev{yngwin}: It really baffles me that some developers are forcefully retired for anti-social behavior, but are not consequently banned from the places where they display this behavior, such as our MLs and IRC channels. What @@ -90,76 +80,34 @@ good is it to retire developers, but allow them to continue to be disruptive? I would like the Council to decide for a change in our policy on this point. +It wasn't entirely clear if this question applied to a specific person. One +could consider applying a ban for the same channel where the misbehaviour took +place, and allow other channels to be handled separately. \dev{spb} commented +that the three fired devs were actually banned from \#gentoo-dev for quite some +time. -\begin{verbatim} -20:44 <dleverton_ > As I said on the list (maybe too late for anyone to have - noticed), since yngwin said there were're actually any devs - that this applies to, is there anything to discuss? -20:45 < dberkholz@> dleverton_: i must've interpreted his response differently - from you -20:45 < yngwin > i didnt say it like that, dleverton_ -20:45 < dberkholz@> what i understood was that we should ban them from the same - communication channel -20:46 < dberkholz@> and allow other ones where they handled themselves - differently -\end{verbatim} - -spb commented that the three fired devs were actually banned from -\#gentoo-dev for quite some time. - -\begin{verbatim} -20:51 < musikc > from a devrel perspective, we do not give voice to every - dev who is retired so why should a forcibly retired dev be - any different? - -20:51 < tomaw > Is the council interested in the autodevoice feature or is - this rambling off topic? -20:51 <jmbsvicett > tomaw: As long as we stick to freenode, -1 is something - that interests us - -20:52 < Cardoe+> Standardize a policy for what happens to voluntarily - retired devs and forcibly retired devs. -20:53 < Cardoe+> Can we actually tweak it? -20:53 < Cardoe+> the council direct devrel to come up with a proposed - solution/policy -20:55 < musikc > dberkholz, your call. happy to assist by doing work or by - just stating current process and devrel stance :) -\end{verbatim} +Discussion went off the tangents that giving voice to ex-developers is a right, +not a privilege, that Gentoo is in principle interested in the Freenode +autodevoice feature, and that a standardized policy on how to handle +voluntarily or forcibly retired developers might be useful. \agendaitem{PMS as a draft standard of EAPI 0} \index{PMS}\index{EAPI!0} -spb: -It should be treated as a draft standard, and any deviations from it -found in the gentoo tree or package managers should have a bug filed -against either the deviator or PMS to resolve the differences. - -Alternatively, what (specific) changes are required to PMS before such a -statement can be made? - -The portage devs need to commit to it. How do conflicts get resolved? -\begin{verbatim} -20:56 < dberkholz@> we were talking about this earlier today in here -<20:57 < dberkholz@> to quickly summarize, EAPI 0 and portage need to agree. - there are some conflicts of opinion, and the question is - how do they get resolved? -20:58 < dberkholz@> 17:24 < zmedico > dberkholz: mainly these two: - http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222721 - http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232990 -20:58 < dberkholz@> 17:25 < zmedico > In both cases I consider something to - be negligible that the pms folks do not - -20:59 < Cardoe+> potentially creating a PMS editor post. -21:00 < Cardoe+> Put it in the hands of a third party -21:00 < Cardoe+> and if there's a conflict, let the council decide - -21:01 < musikc > dberkholz, conflict in that some feel PMS is biased? - -21:07 < spb > differences will be resolved by filing a bug, so what needs - to be sorted is what sort of escalation/mediation mechanism - there is -\end{verbatim} +Reference: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{b8a13279805378353df627cbb10d72cc} + +\dev{spb}: (PMS) should be treated as a draft standard, and any deviations from +it found in the gentoo tree or package managers should have a bug filed against +either the deviator or PMS to resolve the differences. + +According to \dev{zmedico} at the moment the main conflicts of opinion are +\bug{222721} and \bug{232990}. \dev{ciaranm} stated that Portage was in the +wrong since it broke existing stuff in the tree, \dev{zmedico} disagreed. A +discussion ensued. + +How shall conflicts get resolved here? The idea of creating a PMS editor +position for escalation/mediation was discussed. We ran past the 1-hour mark, so this is pushed back to the list. It will be on the next agenda in 2 weeks if it's not resolved by then. |