Improve 6/2008

9 files changed, 125 insertions, 143 deletions

diff --git a/decisions/decisions.but b/decisions/decisions.but
index 97297a8..4affa83 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.but
+++ b/decisions/decisions.but
@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
+129413
+[TRACKER] LDFLAGS="-Wl,--as-needed" support
 145737
 Native Portage Multilib Support
 150851
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.bux b/decisions/decisions.bux
index 3168ecc..4a79573 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.bux
+++ b/decisions/decisions.bux
@@ -2,6 +2,8 @@
 CVS ebuilds;live ebuilds;ebuilds!live
 53269
 GLEP!27;UIDs
+129413
+as-needed;--as-needed;LDFLAGS
 154595
 Reply-To;mailing lists;reply-to-list
 154594
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.ded b/decisions/decisions.ded
index f280681..6601104 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.ded
+++ b/decisions/decisions.ded
@@ -4,6 +4,9 @@ Aron Griffis
 amne
 Wernfried Haas
 
+antarus
+Alec Warner
+https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Antarus
 araujo
 Luis Francisco Araujo
 
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.gld b/decisions/decisions.gld
index d577a69..6a57a33 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.gld
+++ b/decisions/decisions.gld
@@ -74,6 +74,10 @@ scm version suffix;live suffix;ebuilds!live;packages!build from scm
 Use EAPI-suffixed ebuilds (.ebuild-EAPI)
 Rejected
 EAPI suffix
+56
+USE flag descriptions in metadata
+Final
+metadata.xml!use flags;use flags!descriptions
 57
 Security of distribution of Gentoo software - Overview
 Final
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.kilepr b/decisions/decisions.kilepr
index 8576a69..fbd9f7b 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.kilepr
+++ b/decisions/decisions.kilepr
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ img_extIsRegExp=false
 img_extensions=.eps .jpg .jpeg .png .pdf .ps .fig .gif
 kileprversion=2
 kileversion=2.1.3
-lastDocument=decisions.ded
+lastDocument=summary-20080612.tex
 masterDocument=
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@@ -1578,7 +1578,7 @@ encoding=UTF-8
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diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mlf b/decisions/decisions.mlf
index 80607b6..6cf222b 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.mlf
+++ b/decisions/decisions.mlf
@@ -182,8 +182,12 @@ Mike Frysinger
 Ulrich Mueller
 85c578debc4821504803755cd6756fb3:gentoo-dev
 Mike Frysinger
+868e239918e9bf80524415d5d12e2493:gentoo-dev
+Donnie Berkholz
 87e630b9da724c5c59060608aba596a9:gentoo-dev
 Kristian Fiskerstrand
+8d3e2ff5235b214f77d234449cdd5897:gentoo-dev
+Mike Frysinger
 8f775eaa16bd148de1a91103356a25d5:gentoo-dev
 Mike Frysinger
 8fb1d8c0dd80e17cbb1fc633006f14b9:gentoo-project
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mls b/decisions/decisions.mls
index 6fc5aa9..9bd7d94 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.mls
+++ b/decisions/decisions.mls
@@ -182,8 +182,12 @@ Re: [gentoo-project] Upcoming council meeting - Wednesday, 8th of June, 1900 UTC
 [gentoo-dev] GLEP 54 and hyphens in PV (was: GLEP 55 updated)
 85c578debc4821504803755cd6756fb3:gentoo-dev
 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April
+868e239918e9bf80524415d5d12e2493:gentoo-dev
+Re: [gentoo-dev] Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June]
 87e630b9da724c5c59060608aba596a9:gentoo-dev
 [gentoo-dev] RFC: Eclasses and EAPI
+8d3e2ff5235b214f77d234449cdd5897:gentoo-dev
+[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for June
 8f775eaa16bd148de1a91103356a25d5:gentoo-dev
 [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for August
 8fb1d8c0dd80e17cbb1fc633006f14b9:gentoo-project
diff --git a/decisions/decisions.mlt b/decisions/decisions.mlt
index c4a101d..b5da138 100644
--- a/decisions/decisions.mlt
+++ b/decisions/decisions.mlt
@@ -182,8 +182,12 @@ Wed, 01 Feb 2006 10:47:15
 Sun, 17 May 2009 23:43:47
 85c578debc4821504803755cd6756fb3:gentoo-dev
 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:32:28
+868e239918e9bf80524415d5d12e2493:gentoo-dev
+Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:58:35
 87e630b9da724c5c59060608aba596a9:gentoo-dev
 Fri, 02 Sep 2016 16:13:40
+8d3e2ff5235b214f77d234449cdd5897:gentoo-dev
+Sun, 01 Jun 2008 09:30:11
 8f775eaa16bd148de1a91103356a25d5:gentoo-dev
 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:33:17
 8fb1d8c0dd80e17cbb1fc633006f14b9:gentoo-project
diff --git a/decisions/summary-20080612.tex b/decisions/summary-20080612.tex
index 499682e..9286c98 100644
--- a/decisions/summary-20080612.tex
+++ b/decisions/summary-20080612.tex
@@ -1,58 +1,40 @@
 
 \summary{2008}{6}{12}
 
+Agenda call: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{8d3e2ff5235b214f77d234449cdd5897}
+
+Agenda announcement: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{868e239918e9bf80524415d5d12e2493}
+
 
 \agendaitem{Moderation}
 \index{council!meeting!channel mode}
 
-Modes +qnm, with voice for people involved in discussions?
-
-If it becomes necessary, we'll do it. Leave channel open till then.
+Shall we use channel modes +qnm, with voice for people involved in discussions?
+This means 
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item 
+ +m - Moderated - People who don't have voices (+v) can't send 
+    messages to the channel.
+ \item
+ +n - No external messages - With this mode, no one can send messages 
+    to the channel without even being joined.
+ \item 
+ +z - Relaxed moderation - When +z is set each message that would be 
+    blocked by +m is sent to all the users who are currently operator.
+\end{itemize}
+Concusion --- if it becomes necessary, we'll do it. We leave the channel open 
+until then.
 
 
 \agendaitem{Time limit}
 \index{council!meeting!time limit}
 
-2 hours?
-
-Yes. We'll move any topics we didn't cover to the mailing lists.
-
-
-
-\agendaitem{Document of being an active developer}
-\index{developer certificate}
-
-Last month: Numerous suggested improvements to info on the certificate.
-
-Preparation: araujo needs to post progress, an updated certificate and 
-any new requests to the gentoo-council or gentoo-project list 2+ hours 
-before the meeting.
-
-Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion 
-expected.
-
-
-\agendaitem{Slacker arches}
-\index{arches!slacking}
-
-Preparation: vapier needs to send the post 2+ hours before the meeting.
-
-Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion 
-expected.
-
-
-\agendaitem{Can the council help fewer bugs get ignored by arm/sh/s390 teams?}
-\index{arch!arm}\index{arch!sh}\index{arch!s390}
-
-Preparation: Someone on an undermanned arch team needs to describe their 
-workflow on-list 2+ hours before the meeting.
-
-Goal: Suggest changes. This should happen on-list. No discussion 
-expected.
+Shall we set a time limit of 2 hours for the council meeting? ---
+Yes. We will move any topics we didn't cover to the mailing lists.
 
 
 \agendaitem{PMS: Are versions allowed to have more than 8 digits?}
-\index{PMS}\index{eclass!versionator}
+\index{PMS}\index{eclass!versionator}\index{version specifications}
 
 References:
 \begin{itemize}
@@ -62,134 +44,104 @@ References:
  \bug{188449}
 \end{itemize}
 
-Preparation: Do the package maintainers with extremely long PVs need 
-them? The involved packages:
-\begin{verbatim}
-	sys-process/fuser-bsd
-	sys-apps/net-tools
-	sys-apps/gradm
-	net-im/ntame
-	media-video/captury
-	media-libs/libcaptury
-	media-libs/capseo
-	sys-block/btrace
-	www-apache/mod_depends
-	net-wireless/rt2500
-	sys-fs/unionfs
-\end{verbatim}
-
-Preparation: What's the impact of extending versionator.eclass? 
-
-Goal: With data in hand, make a decision.
-
-Decision: We didn't have all of the testing requested. We still voted to 
-allow versions $>8$ digits. Adding a maximum restriction is a separate 
-question and was not addressed -- if anyone wants this restriction, 
-please discuss with fellow implementors and present your consensus to 
-the council.
-
-
-\agendaitem{How to handle appeals}
-\index{council!appeal process}
+The required testing was not done in the meantime. We still voted to allow 
+versions $>8$ digits. Adding a maximum restriction is a separate question and 
+was not addressed -- if anyone wants this restriction, please discuss with 
+fellow implementors and present your consensus to the council.
 
-Preparation: Post to the gentoo-council mailing list 2+ hours before the 
-meeting with your opinion.
 
-\agoref{gentoo-council}{d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264}
+\agendaitem{How to handle the current appeals}
+\index{council!appeal process}\index{enforced retirement}
 
-Goal: Vote on an approach that was previously posted to the list.
-
-Decision: We approved dberkholz's proposal.
+Refernce: \agoref{gentoo-council}{d7c402fb577a3d5b1707e2bdf4b0a264}
 
+Decision: We approved \dev{dberkholz}'s proposal.
 
 
 \agendaitem{as-needed by default}
 \index{as-needed}\index{--as-needed}\index{LDFLAGS}
 
-antarus requested that we vote on whether to add it to the default 
-LDFLAGS.
-
-Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "RFC: --as-needed to 
-default LDFLAGS" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+Reference: \agoref{gentoo-dev}{fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9}
 
-\agoref{gentoo-dev}{fdfd519c5372394cc7f3aacaefa387b9}
+\dev{antarus} requested that we vote on whether to add --as-needed to the 
+default LDFLAGS.
 
-Goal: Vote.
+Whether this should be in default LDFLAGS or suggested in make.conf.example 
+wasn't clear. \dev{betelgeuse} suggested that we should know the whole tree 
+will build with this LDFLAGS setting (with open bugs for packages that append 
+-Wl,--no-as-needed) before we would consider enabling it by default.
 
-Result: Whether this should be in default LDFLAGS or suggested in 
-make.conf.example wasn't clear. Betelgeuse suggested that we should know 
-the whole tree will build with this LDFLAGS setting (with open bugs for 
-packages that append -Wl,--no-as-needed) before we would consider 
-enabling it by default.
+The current state of the tree is tracked in \bug{129413}.
 
-Antarus will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote 
+\dev{antarus} will post a deployment plan to -dev for discussion. We can vote 
 on it on -council as soon as it solidifies.
 
 
 \agendaitem{GLEP 54}
 \index{GLEP!54}\index{scm version suffix}\index{PV}
 
-Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "A few questions to 
-our nominees" 2+ hours before the meeting.
-
+References:
 \begin{itemize}
+ \item
+ \glep{54}
  \item 
  \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
  \item
  \agoref{gentoo-dev}{05614741b3942bfdfb21fd8ebb7955e0}
 \end{itemize}
 
-Goal: Vote.
-
-Result: lu_zero posted a second plan 12 hours ago. Since it hasn't been 
-around long enough to get much feedback, we decided to let them develop 
-and see if the ideas somehow merge.
+\dev{lu_zero} posted an alternative approach 12 hours ago. Since it hasn't been 
+around long enough to get much feedback, we decided to let the proposals 
+develop and see if the ideas somehow merge.
 
 
 \agendaitem{GLEP 55}
 \index{GLEP!55}\index{EAPI suffix}
 
-Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "GLEP 55" 2+ hours 
-before the meeting. Let it attempt to come to a consensus before we 
-vote.
-
-\agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+References: 
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item 
+ \glep{55}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{c6e4ba8293f50c1e0444e67d59cf85ea}
+\end{itemize}
 
-Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold 
-this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next 
-meeting.
+Let's vote once the discussion is no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold this 
+vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next meeting.
 
 
 \agendaitem{GLEP 56}
 \index{GLEP!56}\index{use flags}\index{metadata.xml}
 
-Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "[GLEP56] USE flag 
-descriptions in metadata" 2+ hours before the meeting. Let it attempt to 
-come to a consensus before we vote.
-
-\agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9}
-
-Goal: Vote once the discussion's no longer clearly ongoing. We can hold 
-this vote on the -council mailing list instead of waiting for the next 
-meeting.
+References:
+\begin{itemize}
+ \item 
+ \glep{56}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{784e2b1c30bbffcaca4c27d3961de9c9}
+ \item
+ \agoref{gentoo-dev}{54ee20d2b1d8122370afdd4b3d7aafc9}
+\end{itemize}
 
-There is still room for improvement in this GLEP, not so much in its 
+There is still room for improvement in \glep{56}, not so much in its 
 technical aspects but in the way it promotes itself, the possible 
-generation of legacy files, and the tools to use it.
+generation of legacy files, and the tools to use it.\footnote{Note that in this 
+iteration the intention is that global useflag descriptions cannot be 
+overridden locally. This later changed.}
+
+A final vote will be done on the -council mailing list. 
 
 
 \agendaitem{Status of PMS}
 \index{PMS}
 
-ferringb said:
-  I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if 
+\dev{ferringb} said: 
+``I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if 
   the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral* 
   standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, and if 
-  said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes this side of '09.
-
-Preparation: Post your opinion to the -dev thread "One-Day Gentoo 
-Council Reminder for June" 2+ hours before the meeting.
+  said spec is actually going to be approved sometimes this side of '09.''
 
+References:
 \begin{itemize}
  \item 
  \agoref{gentoo-dev}{9e9652212b3aefe09d93fc24c6ec4cb7}
@@ -199,3 +151,10 @@ Council Reminder for June" 2+ hours before the meeting.
 
 Result: This is a discussion that belongs on the mailing list. Council 
 members should post anything they have to add by the end of the weekend.
+
+
+
+\vspace*{1cm}
+
+Several further agenda items are mentioned in the official summary, but were 
+not actually discussed during the meeting.